Joe Tsai Co-founder & Chair of Alibaba | In Good Company | Norges Bank Investment Management

Today we have a special guest visiting—uh, called Joe Tsai—chair and co-founder of one of the world's largest companies, with more than 1 billion consumers, called Alibaba—a giant巨人.

今天我們要特別介紹一位嘉賓——喬·蔡，他是全球最大公司之一的董事長兼聯合創始人，擁有超過 10 億消費者，這家公司就是阿里巴巴——一個巨頭。

In e-commerce, digital payments, cloud computing, entertainment, and much more, we own擁有 almost 2% of the company.

在電子商務、數字支付、雲端計算、娛樂等許多領域，我們持有該公司近 2% 的股份。

And you know what?

你們知道嗎？

Joe is also a huge sports fan—and you even own a basketball team: the Brooklyn Nets.

喬也是個狂熱的體育迷——而且你甚至擁有一支籃球隊：布魯克林籃網隊。

So great to have you here, Joe—and lots to talk about.

很高興你能來，喬，我們有好多話題要聊。

Thanks for having me, Nikolai.

謝謝你邀請我，尼古拉。

Wonderful!

太棒了！

Now let's start with the beginning—just to get to know you a bit.

那我們從一開始聊起吧——先簡單瞭解一下你。

You were born in Taiwan, but when you were 13, you moved to the US.

你出生在臺灣，但 13 歲時搬到了美國。

So how was that transition過渡?

那麼，那次轉變怎麼樣？

It was an extraordinary非凡的 transition.

那是一次非同尋常的轉變。

I uh came from a very different culture文化.

我來自一個截然不同的文化背景。

I grew up in a very Chinese environment and went to a Chinese school, so I barely勉強 spoke English when I landed in New Jersey in the United States at age 13.

我是在非常傳統的中文環境中長大的，就讀於中文學校，所以當我 13 歲抵達美國新澤西州時，幾乎不會說英語。

So I went to a boarding school.

所以我上了一所寄宿學校。

I thought the best way for me to integrate結合 and be friends with everyone was to play a lot of sports.

我想融入集體、和大家交朋友最好的方式就是多參加體育運動。

I tried out for a lot of teams.

我嘗試加入了很多隊伍。

I got cut切 from the baseball team.

我被棒球隊淘汰了。

Were you any good?

你打得還不錯嗎？

I wasn't good skill-wise in baseball, but I was fairly athletic運動的 and had some speed.

我在棒球技巧上不算好，但我身體素質不錯，跑得也挺快。

Right—I was fast.

對——你跑得很快。

So I tried out for football—American football—I played American football on the varsity校隊的（尤指大學或高中最高水平） team—and also played lacrosse in high school—and then went on to play lacrosse in college.

所以我又去試踢橄欖球（美式足球），進了校隊打比賽——高中時也打過長曲棍球——後來上大學繼續打長曲棍球。

Okay.

好的。

Who were the formative形成期的 people in your upbringing?

在你成長過程中，哪些人是對你影響最深的人？

My father—he is one of the most brilliant, one of the most sharp-minded people I know—but he's very tough.

我的父親——他是我認識的最聰明、思維最敏捷的人之一——但他非常嚴厲。

I feared my father.

我害怕我的父親。

Do you still fear him?

你現在還怕他嗎？

I still—well, he's no longer alive—is he still kind of a bit of a ghost鬼魂 in your life?

我還在——好吧，他已經不在了——但他是否仍像幽靈一樣縈繞在你的生活中？

still well he's no longer is he still kind of a bit

（片段：仍然很好，他不再……他是否仍然有點像個幽靈？）

of bit of ghost in your life still bit of a ghost

（片段：有點像個幽靈，仍然有點像個幽靈）